Msg#:24435 *Public* 04-02-89 02:10:02 From: KILLER TOMATO To: ALL Subj: MORE MENTAT HIGHLIGHTS AND BM'S SOON More from the CUG's frequented by BM and Mentat soon, plus the Forces greatest hits. I hear that a public spirited citizen has drawn BM's messages to the attention of Telecom Protective Services........ stay tuned, you asked for the evidence..here it comes.......to a BBS near you. gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:24128 *Public* 02-02-89 15:19:23 From: THE LENSMAN To: BOSS DOS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 24117 (INTERESTING) All I can say to that message is to wait out a few more days to see just what does become of Mentat and BM. He HAS lied to everyone, from a certain MP (and mo I won't name Mr Mcfee), to newspaper, to us, the BBS users. He USED almost everyone! WAKE UP! See him for what he really is, casue when evidence 1st came to light about him from Sysop, everyone chose to ignore/disbelive it, and now it is a different situation, as BM gets less credible each day. . Lenny gain, eply, ext, oA Msg#:24058 *Public* 02-02-89 06:45:14 From: KILLER TOMATO To: ALL Subj: INTERESTING It appears that the BM saga is now finally over, newspapers throughout the country are carrying thedetails of his efforts to dupe a politician. It also seems that some files from a certian computer at LaTrobe are now in the hands of the police etc. Also that Mentat has prior convictions for computer theft, last time he was let off with an Inspectors warning....this time ?????? It also seems that Latrobe will be minus one student on the grounds of infamous conduct; and that the authorities have now issued a warning advising all other govt. dpeartments and MP's against dealing with BM and/or Mentat. I dont think anybody otherthan the guilty should suffer. Ten of us went to the corporate affairs commission yesterday, and finally found out what a liar BM is. An American corporation has been in touch with them, and as soon as the wheels of the legal types get their act together Mr. BM will have to fork out lots of money,under the International Organisations (Priviliges and Immunities ) Act 1963. Then we went to a certain address in South Melbourne, and Yes, it was there, not a figment of our imagination, so BM fails again. Why is Vags departing, certainly not in suppoert of such a loser, surely! He had better reassess his priorities, and come back to us where its safe....unless of course he is in so deep he cant get out. gain, eply, ext, or top? 31-01-89 11:11:42 From: IVAN TROTSKY To: KILLER TOMATO (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 23651 (AUSTRALIAN 31/01/89) Well what can we all say... Brett came across to all of us as a concernd party who didn't want anythintg like Hacking or Carding to be done.. And now we read things like that well all I can say is that I was Naive too, like I'd say most of the users who thought they knew Brett where too.. B,F,N Comrade, =================== == T R O T S K Y == =================== Watch It Or I'll Suck Out Your Eye Balls And Skull Fuck You.. gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:23295 *Public* 29-01-89 01:07:28 From: SYSOP To: ALL Subj: RAIDS AS YOU ARE ALL PROBABLY AWARE BY NOW THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF POLICE RAIDS ON WHAT CAN BEST BE DESCRIBED AS "ROGUE" BBS USERS. I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT THE RAIDS AND THEIR FINDINGS HAVE TOTALLY VINDICATED MY METHODS OF DEALING WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE; AND OUR EFFORTS AT CLEARING UP THE BULLETIN BOARD SCENE IN GENERAL. HOWEVER THE PROBLEM DOES NOT CEASE WITH THE RAIDS, OUR VIGILANCE SHOULD REMAIN, AND WE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THERS MAY STILL BE OUT THERE, NOT YET CAUGHT, AND JUST WAITING TO DRAG US DOWN. HAVE FUN AND BE ALERT! gain, eply, ext, or top? N Msg#:23015 *Public* 27-01-89 00:43:23 From: ICE MAN To: SYSOP (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 22470 (HELLO THERE) Yeah, I wasn't impressed with BM's effort...not at all..I was wondering when someone was going to react to what he was doing..and yeah, sounds good..what is his office like? jeeze...I'd Love to see what kind of power he has available at his fingertips...I have to admit, I did, at one stage, think he was a basterd, but now that I know the full story I recon he's ranked pretty high in my books...he's done a good job, pity that not many people know about it... . Cheers, . Icey gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:22888 *Public* 26-01-89 02:21:53 From: SYSOP To: ALL Subj: SETTLEMENT SYSOP AND HIS LEGAL ADVISORS HAVE REACHED A SETTLEMT WITH HACKWATCH (tm) OVER THE CURRENT LEGAL PROBLEMS. (A) WE ACCEPT, AFTER VIEWING PROOF THAT HACKWATCH(tm) EXISTS AND SINCE 1982 HAS BEEN THE REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF AN INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE FEDERAL LAWS OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA IS THE ONLY AUTHORISED USER OF THE TRADEMARK AND PATENT OF HACKWATCH(tm). ANYOTHER USE IS ILLEGAL, WILL BE SUBJECT TO PROSECUTION FOR BREACH OF THE TRADE MARKS AND PATENT LEGISLATION, AND WE ARE AWARE THAT SOME LEGAL ACTIONHAS BEEN COMMENCED AGAINST TWO PERSONS IN THE SUPREME COURT. (B) IN VIEW OF OUR CO-OPERATION IN GIVING DETAILS OF TWO OF OUR USERS TO TELECOM PROTECTIVE SERVICES, THE WRIT AGAINST US HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. (C) ONLY THOSE TWO WERE OF INTEREST, NO OTHER DETAILS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, NO OTHER USER DETAILS HAVE BEEN PASSED. THUS ENDS A RATHER UNPLEASANT CHAPTER. GUYS I HAVE SEEN THE PROOF, MENTAT AND BRETT LIED AND CHEATED, THEY USED US; ON OTHER BOARDS, INCL. GREYHAWK WE HAVE BEEN MADE TO LOOK IDIOTS, THEY KNEW THEY WERE GUILTY AND TRIED TO DRAG US ALL IN, ITS COST ME A LOT OF CASH TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY TO GET TO THE TRUTH. AND LETS FACE IT GETTING TO THE TRUTH S DIFFICULT ENOUGH WHERE THOSE TWO ARE CONCERNED. SO LETS GO ON WITH USING ZEN FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED, HAVING FUN, AND IF ANYBODY BREACHES THE SETTLEMENT......LOOK OUT. AS FOR THE GUILTY PARTIES...I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM, NEITHER SHOULD YOU, AND FOR THOSE WHO HELPED......THANKYOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!! HAVE FUN! Msg#:22466 *AMIGA* 23-01-89 15:05:34 From: ANTONY ANDERSON To: CUBICAL ZENITH (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 16409 (HARD DISK) THE WEDGE IS AN INTERFACE THAT SETS UP CONTROL SIGNALS FROM AN AMIGA SO IT CAN CONTROL AN IBM HARD DISK. I HAVE A COPY OF THE SKEMATIC IF YOU WANT TO BUILD ONE. OTHERWISE THE AUG OR NWAUG MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU. REGARDS. gain, eply, ext, or top? Msg#:22486 *Public* 23-01-89 17:22:29 From: HERR GOEBBELS To: BRETT MACMILLAN & OLIVER Subj: ....THE NEW AGE... ACH ZO ZEY VER GETTING CLOSE TO YOU, PERHAPS WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE SOLOUTION, VE HAV ROOM FOR JUST TWO MORE IN ZE OVEN.............. gain, eply, ext, or top? N Msg#:22485 *Public* 23-01-89 17:06:34 From: THE RAVEN. To: TAXI CAB (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 22400 (ONLINE) My watch and the BBS's clock are slightly out.Yeah i noticed a slight discrepancy there too. gain, eply, ext, or top? N Msg#:22484 *AMIGA* 23-01-89 17:05:10 From: THE RAVEN. To: TOUCAN JONES (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 22384 (BEST AUST. DEMO) Re:acu? - what does that mean? Sounds like a norwiegian niteclub! gain, eply, ext, or top? N Msg#:22472 *Public* 23-01-89 16:25:06 From: SYSOP To: ALL Subj: THANKS VERY MUCH! THANKS TO B.M. AND OLIVER (MENTAT) I HAVE NOW BEEN SERVED WITH A NOTICE OF INJUNCTION OVER THEIR ANTICS. THEY ARE COSTING US OUR REPUTATION AND THEY ARE COSTING ME MONEY! IT MAY EVEN COST US ALL ZEN. IASKED THEM TO STOP, OBVIOUSLY THEY THINK THAT ZEN IS WORTH NOTHING AND SO THEY ARE DESTROYING IT. SO TO THE PAIR OF THEM...THANKS VERY MUCH I REALLY APPRECAITE YOUR EFFORTS. I NOW HAVE TO GO INTERSTATE AND WORK. IF YOU KNOW WHAT GOTTERDAMERRUNG MEANS THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT ITS GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN I GET BACK. ALL OF YOU...DO YOU WANT ZEN OR NOT????? IF YOU DO, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO. THIS HACKWATCH THING WITH B.M. AND OLIVER MAY HAVE SEEMED FUNNY AT THE START, NOW ITS SERIOUS. IF YOU WANT ZEN TO SURVIVE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION RE: B.M. AND OLIVER THATS ALL I'M ASKING. ITS GOING TO COST ME HEAPS TO DEAL WITH THIS NOW, I MAY HAVE TO SELL THE P.C. TO PAY FOR IT, BUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER I WILL NEVER FORGET THE HOLOCAUST THAT B.M. AND OLIVER BROUGHT ON OUR HEADS. SO JUST THINK ABOUT IT...IS ZEN WORTH IT, IF IT IS, I'M SAYING IT AGAIN, S.O.S., IF YOU THINK B.M. AND OLIVER ARE WORTH THE TROUBLE THEN JUST LET THINGS CARRY ON, IF YOU THINK WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEM, THEN THE BALL IS IN YOU COURT, THEY'LL SOON GET THE H INT. AND TO B.M. AND OLIVER....THANKS GUYS..REALLY MADE MY YEAR. NO "HAVE FUN!" THIS TIME. gain, eply, ext, or top? N Msg#:22450 *Public* 23-01-89 12:07:32 From: ICE MAN To: SYSOP (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 22265 (!) It was only a matter of time until his 'hackwatch' caused trouble..Registering a company that doesn't exist in australia, but does in America just to piss off Mr. Gill is a stupid Idea, and the articles , or rather the conversations that he has been having with people like Margo towie have been potential time bombs for this board..as well as meany others..Please, Brett, Give it up. You are a great person,, but I really think that you have ****ed it up this time. Why be SO dead set on pissing Mr. Gill off? nd regarding the accounts of the security officers, well, folks, I can assure you that Craig is in contact with other sysops,and that the appropriate action has been taken BY them... . Cheers, . Icey gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:22374 *Public* 22-01-89 19:54:25 From: INTERSTATE To: ALL Subj: PUBLIC NOTICE PUBLIC NOTICE FROM HACKWATCH, division of CFI INC. AS MR MACMILLAN HAS STATED ON THE BBS SYSTEMS KNOWN AS PACIFIC ISLAND AND ZEN THAT HE OWNS HACKWATCH HE SHOULD BE ADVISED THAT HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS HAVE NOW BEEN CONVEYED TO THE TAXATION DEPARTMENT AND THE VARIOUS OTHER AUTHORITIES TO WHO WE MAKE REGULAR PAYMENTS AND ALSO TO VARIOUS OTHER CREDITORS. WE HAVE ADVISED THEM THAT IN THE STATE OF VICTORIA THE HACKWATCH NAME, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE LIABILITY FOR ANY DEBTS INCURRED HAS PASSED TO MR BRETT MACMILLAN AND THEY SHOULD LOOK TO HIM FOR IMMEDIATE PAYMENT. FURTHER AS HACKATCH IS UNILATERALLY REGISTERED AND LEGAL REMEDIES EXIST FOR BREACH OF THE TRADE MARKS REGULATIONS, WE SHALL LOOK TO ANY PEROSN WHO ILLEGALLY USES SUCH IDENTIFICATION , FOR SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGES. PROCEEDINGS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:22300 *Public* 22-01-89 02:02:49 From: SYSOP To: ALL Subj: FINAL WARNING (A) FINAL WARNING TO BM, HE LEFTA MESSAGE CONCERNING HIS RESEARCH AND POLITICAL CONNECTIONS TO ME A WEEK AGO, SINCE THEN I HAVE INDEPENADNTLY CHECKED UP ON HIM, HE IS A TROUBLEMAKER, AN EGOIST AND IS NOT WELCOME HERE, HE IS ALSO NAMED IN A CONFESSION RECEIVED BY A BANK IN RELATION TO THE CITIBANK AFFAIR. I HAVE CHECKE DWITH VARIOUS SOURCES AND THEY ARE LOOKING INTO HIM, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT HE IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED HE IS USING US, SO THEREFORE I PROTECT MY MEMBERS BY RESTRICTING HIS USE OF MY BBS. FINAL WARNING TO MAD PROFF...I DONT CARE WHAT COLOUR THE RHINO IS OR IN WHAT COUNTRY THAT INFO CAN GO BY VOICE NOT IN CONFERENCE FINAL WARNING TO LOCAL TIMEWARP, TRADE BY VOICE OR ON ANOTHER BOARD, BUT NOT IN CHAT OR CONF. UNDERSTAND ? ALL OF YOU. I AM NOT DUMB I HAVE BEEN USED, BUT NO MORE. THE BIGGEST USER HAS BEEN BM AND ALL OF HIS IDENTITIES AND THOSE HE HAS TRIED TO FOOL, HE NEARLY MADE A FOOL OUT OFME AND COST ME ZEN. I AM INVESTIGATING HIS ROLE IN OTHER MATTERS. MORE NEWS SHORTLY. REMEMBER, I AM THE SYSOP, NOT BM OR ANYBODY ELSE. CLEAN THE PLACE UP YOURSELF GUYS OR I'LL CLEAN IT UP FOR YOU! HAVE FUN! gain, eply, ext, or top? A Msg#:22265 *Public* 21-01-89 19:37:14 From: SYSOP To: ALL - ESPECIALLY BRETT MACMILLAN - RE HACKWATCH Subj: ! Mr. Brett MacMillan otherwidse known as Mr. YYY YYYYYYY who informed and was quoted by the Australian newspaper has caused yet more problems for the users of both Pacific Island and ZEN. Not only has he been involved in making mis-leading statements to the press, he has now involved the ZEN BBS in a possible action for the illegal trade of an internationally registered trade-mark which is owned by the ZARTEK Corp. of Houston Texas U.S.A. I have been informed by the lawyers acting on behalf of ZARTEK Corp. that if Mr. MacMillans/YYYYYYY's actions continue I personally and the users of ZEN will be liable to substancial damages to the international trademark regulations. It may interest you to learn that firstly, ZEn would have to close and that the last recorded case of its kind resulted in a payment of damages in excess of $5,000,000.00 (Yes, read that.. 5 Million). Mr. MacMillan's merry game now threatens this BBS. His ego is only matched by his stupidity. It may also interest you to know, that YYYYYYY/MacMillan/Whoever is also assembling everythign he reads and sees on this BBS and others, as a research project for his alleged connection with a political party. I have also been questioned at length by the authorities in relation to Mr. MacMillan, and can assure you that you will be hearing more about him in the very near future. As a closing note, it is regretable that such a person can make things difficult for everyone who wants a NICE hobby, and as a consequence of the actions which were nearly taken against me - that he is no longer welcome on this BBS. To all else, I wish HAVE FUN! gain, eply, ext, or top? rwhelming disrespect for ZEN and other BBS's. I am willing to remove ZEN from action for good, but after having spoken to a few concerned people, it has been deemed that ZEN will remain online for a period, during which, its use will be closely scrutinised. If you wish ZEN to remain, then treat it as a useful form of communication - DO NOT ABUSE IT! The well-fare of the BBS community (and ZEN) relies on how we ALL use it. Notice: BY USING THE INDIAL NUMBER AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM PASSWORD YOU IMPLY ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE VICTORIA CRIMES (COMPUTERS) ACT 1988 AND THE PROVSIONS OF THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS REGULATIONS IN RELATION TO THE ILLEGAL POSESSION AND USE OF E.F.T. SYSTEMS; TELEGRAPHIC AND TELEPHONY CALL CHARGE CARDS, BOTH DOMESTIC AND OVERSEAS; AND OF THE PRIVITY OF INFORMATION BETWEEN CREDIT AND FUNDS TRANSFER SERVICES AND THEIR CLIENTS; AND OF THE PRIVITY OF TRANSACTION BETWEEN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND THEIR CLIENTS. Persons found guilty of offences under these regulations are subject to Severe penalties at law. I further confirm by proceeding further that I am not a Law Enforcement officer seeking to use this BBS for the purposes of 3rd Party interception; nor for the downloading of any files information or data for the purposes of publication in any media. The contents of the BBS either in whole or in part may not be downloaded for storage in a data retreival system for whatever purpose; except with the prior consent of the System Operator (Sysop) - Craig Bowen, Zen BBS and (c) The Melbourne Sysop Co-operative, 1988. sg#:29702 *DEBATE* 15-03-89 02:03:45 From: THE MENTAT To: ALL Subj: MESSAGE AGAIN. I'm uploading the message I sent to Killer Tomato in the main area. See, I don't want `Stuart Gill' to delete it. If this one disappears, too, it'll be because `Gill' pressured Craig into removing it. If there was a word for the slime under a worm's belly, it'd describe `Stuart Gill'. By the way, if anyone wants to get the facts about SG - and I mean documented ones, from various Government bodies - you can contact me through The Mentat. Bye. Brett. Msg#:29697 *Public* 15-03-89 01:49:36 From: THE MENTAT To: KILLER TOMATO (Rcvd) Subj: HELLO, STUART. This is Brett Macmillan logging on under The Mentat's account. Craig Bowen has publicly apologised for leaving statements which he now regrets, and has asked me to return to this board. After some thought I have decided not to, for a number of reasons. Firstly, is the way my trust was abused. Craig Bowen, the Sysop of this board, gave a third party full Sysop access without telling any of the users. Not only this, but he gave it to `Stuart Gill' of all people. Trace the messages back. After I left the first message saying, "Hey, guys, this Hackwatch company doesn't exist," the person who came out spewing at me was the Lensman. It now turns out that he was being paid by `Stuart Gill'. Nice going, Lennie. We all thought you were a regular guy. Then Ivan Trotsky. Fortunately, I have never been involved in a criminal activity of any kind. I was tempted sometimes, when I saw certain people carding modems and selling them for $200. Maybe I would have bought one, but luckily I decided not to. I don't know what Ivan's guilty of. certainly not hacking into Citibank... way beyond him. I do know that he met me because I invited all BBS users to a party. I didn't see him again until the famous `Goodbye PI meet'. In the old days, used to be that you didn't abuse people who did you favors. `Staurt Gill' claims he's paying Ivan - Ivan says different. Big deal. Nobody forced him to pose for a (faked) photo in The Australian and claim some gibberish about me being involved in carding. An old acquaintance of yours, Ivan, says you're like a skunk - upset you, and you spray shit everywhere trying to escape. Now onto `Stuart Gill'. There's so much bull here it's hard to get anywhere, but: hackwatch was not a registered business name (or company, trademark, etc.) until I registered it. Doesn't exist. Neither does DPG Monitoring Services. Try to get in touch with any of them, they're not listed in the phone book. Can you really believe that if they existed they wouldn't advertise in the yellow pages? Businesses don't run that way. Incidentally, `Stuart', claiming that `Hackwatch' is a registered trademark is an offence. Who is this guy, `Stuart Gill'? I drove to his house tonight - a crummy two-bedroom job in Mount Martha. Think of Frankston, twice as far from the city, and no beach. The sea's close - 15 minutes along crummy roads - many dirt - takes you to a winding road above a sheer cliff. The sea's there. far below. Funny that there were no cars outside. I would have thought that the elderly couple he lives with (his parents? at his age?) would have had one. Must be a pain getting around. Odd that the `Chairman' of the `World's Biggest Anti-Hacking Group' lives with his parents in a crummy $50,000 house. That's about all from me. I feel sorry for Craig - either he's a crim or a totally gulllible dickhead. I'd prefer to believe the latter. He says that `Stuart' never showed him any proof because he was `too sceptical'. That was left to The Lensman and Ivan. Craig's suffered, and deservedly so. I trusted him. I'm still using BBSs. Only ones I can trust, though. If you guys want to hang around on this board, fine. Craig says `Stuart' no longer has Sysop access. All the stories about tapping are bull, BTW. In the old words, HAVE FUN!... I'll post another copy of this message in the Debate area. Killer Tomato, AKA `Staurt Gill', AKA `.... .......' will delete this one as soon as he reads it. Goodbye, and thanks for the fun times. Brett. By the way, `Stuart', give my regards to Mr Gleeson. Select from the following transfer protocols: Suspect attempts to dupe MP The Australian Jan 31 1989 A MELBOURNE hacker is believed to have tried to manipulate a federal MP in an attempt to take the heat off bulletin board users involved in illegal credit card use. THE AUSTRALIAN spoke last week to the parliamentarian who confirmed he had been approached by a hacker believed to have connections with an international hacking ring. The MP said the man had written to him under the letterhead of a Melbourne company. The MP did not know of his possible crime connections. However, the man is known to operate under the alias Brett Macmillan and to work closely with an accomplice known as Mentat whose home was raided by the police late last week. The man first wrote to the MP on January 8 claiming bulletin board users were being harrassed by law enforcement officials.(The Australian has a copy of that letter.) The man said in his letter most bulletin board users were quiet, lawabiding citizens. But he also wrote that he knew bulletin board systems (BBS) that contained messages of a criminal kind. The man also met with the MP early this month and is believed to have since been in contact with him. The letter and meeting followed press reports of credit card fraud which implicated a group of Melbourne hackers using local BBS. Late last week, a police source gained access to a BBS known as Greyhawk, used by Macmillian in which he referred to the MP in a message to Mentat and suggested he would be able to get him to put out a press release denying the veracity of recent reports on hacking. "Then they'll have to listen to me," he said,"and then we can card all we want." The police confirmed they had handed over evidence taken from the house in the suburb of Burwood to the Victoria Police Computer Fraud Squad yesterday. A police source said Macmillan had claimed to be a consultant to the MP. His reference to him on a bulletin board useed the MP's first name and implied a more personal relationship with him than is believed is the case. nclosure, gain, eply, ext, or top? HACKERS LIST CARD HAULS ON BOARDS --------------------------------- The Australian, Pg 39, Tuesday January 24 1989 ---------------------------------------------- By HELEN MEREDITH ----------------- AUTHORITIES remain sceptical of the latest reprts of an international hacking and phreaking ring and its Australian connection. Yesterday, however, evidence continued to stream into the Melbourne based bulletin boards under suspicion. Phreakers use dial tone devices to send signals that give them access to free trunk lines, while hackers break into computer systems. In the latest round of Bulletin Board activity, a message from a United States hacker known as Captain Cash, provided the Australian connection with the latest news on Australian credit cards, provided by local hackers, and their illegal use by US hackers to the value of $US362,018 ($416,112). The information was taken from a computer Bulletin board system known as Pacific Island and used actively by the Australian connection. The message read: "OK on the 5353 series which we are closing today - Mastercard $109,400.50. On the 4564 series - Visa which I'll leave open for a week $209,417.90. And on good old don't leave home without someone elses: $43200." "Making a grand total of $362,018.40!" "Let's hear it for our Aussie friends!" "I hear they are doing just as well!" "They are sending more numbers on the 23rd! Great!" "They will be getting 10% as usual...a nice bonus of $36,-200.00!" The bulletin board also contained advice for phreakers on using telephones in telecom's 199 Williams Street headquarters and the green phones at Spencer Street Station in Melbourne - to make free international calls. A message from a local hacker known as The Force, described "a nice method for hacking systems with very tight security". This involved use of an outgoing "pad" such as a Vax, Unix or "preferably" a Prime. Phoenix, another local bulletin board user, listed prices for "EXTC" - tablets single strength - $40 - tablets double strength - $60 - tablets triple strength - $70 "mail me for details. A devinely decadent experience." Late Friday, The Australian received evidence suggesting a break-in of the US Citibank network by Australian hackers known as The Realm. BOMB ---- The Australian bulletin board used by The Realm, is also used to share such lethal information as the bomb recipe that appeared last year on a US bulletin board. Four teenagers who used the recipe were killed when their home-made bomb exploded in Washington on New Year's Eve. This recipe has been available on a Melbourne based Pacific Island board for some time. The gang's US connection is believed to be based in Milwaukee and Houston. US Federal authorities have already raided US hackers involved in Citibank break-ins in the US. A covert operation of the Bureau of Criminal Intelligence has had the Australian connection under surveillance and last week took delivery of six months' of evidence from the Pacific Island board and associated boards going by the name of Zen and Megaworks. But a glitch in the flow of information between police divisions appears to have seriously slowed down moves to halt the activities of the bulletin board criminals. Checks were also being run on messages coming in during the past week on carding (the illegal use of credit card accounts) from Hong Kong, France and Israel. The Australian hackers include a number of Melbourne people, some teenagers, suspected or already convicted of crimes including fraud, drug use and car theft. Most are considered to be at the least, digital voyeurs, at worst criminals with a possible big crime connection. The information received by The Australian amounts to a confession on the part of the Australian Hackers to involvement in the break-ins of the US Citibank network as well as advice on phreaking (using the telephone network to gain illegal access to overseas computer sites) and bank access. The following is taken directly from the bulletin board - with some areas edited for obvious reasons. It was stored in a private mailbox on the board and is from a hacker known as Ivan Trotsky to one who uses the name Killer Tomato: "OK this is whats been happening..." "While back a Sysop had a call from the Feds, they wanted Force, Phoenix's, Nom's, Brett Macmillain's and my names in connection with some hacking The Realm had done and also with some Carding meant to have been done too." "Then in the last few days I get info past to me that the Hack that was done to the Citibank in the US which has lead to arrests over their also had connections to Force and Electron." "And it was said 'What is Trotsky's connection to the Citibank Hack', now that really f... me off, yes I'm a member of The Realm (as far as I see it Who Cares, but they think otherwise), but have not done any hacks with them as yet." "But now it's been said what is my connection, now that really got me f... off, as the CIA are involved with all this s... too, so you could say I was jerked around a bit, hence as I said if you were as mad as I was, I hope you have strong walls too, as I have been punching ours." "When we did the hack, we didn't really know what we got, until Blue Blunder said that some money had arrived. You can do anything you want on PI. "We got a hack on over the weekend, but it really depends on who's place we do it from. Should be a good one though. We managed to get some carded stuff, but Mum and Dad made me junk the papers, I had them in cooling vents. Managed to dump it via a couple of accounts on PI." The Australian handed over information on phreaking stored on the bulletin board to Telecom Australia on Friday. Other data being shared by the hackers in this latest exercise was on credit carding. DPG monitoring service spokesman, Mr Stuart Gill, said he believed the Pacific Island material ws only the tip of the iceberg. "They're far better organised than the police," he said. "Unless everyone gets their act together and we legislate against it, we'll still be talking about the same things this time next year." Yesterday, the South Australian police started an operation to put Bulletin Boards operating in that state under surveillance. And in Western Australia, both political parties agreed they would proceed with an inquiry into computer hacking, whoever was in government. The Victorian Police fraud squad last week announced it had set up a computer crime squad that would investigate complaints of computer fraud. Many of lthe leading hackers have been caught in a recent crackdown on computer crime. Notable figures include Crimson Death, who for many years ran The Forgotten Realm, the largest underground bulletin board in the world; Camelot, who applied for a job with Prime Computers after pointing out that he had access to all their computers anyway; Laser (aka the infamous Doc Telecom), and Par. Par's case is interesting, as he appears to have received a tipoff from hackers working for the US Government. He was wanted in relation to the security breach in Citibank, and for several weeks managed to evade CRIMSON DEATH (sysop of The Forgoten Realm Busted - RIP) LASER (alias DOC TELECOM Busted - RIP) CAMELOT (tried to get work with Prime Busted - RIP) PAR (After a large search Busted - RIP) MAGIC HASAN (alias MH Busted - RIP) SHATTER (not yet 100% confirmed but Busted - RIP) DOCTOR CYPHER (rumours have it, he may not be with us much longer) 22/2/1989